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murderous third graders
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Apr
2008
I'll admit that I've been wresting over the idea of enrolling my almost 8 year old daughter into the local public school when she would be of age to enter third grade this fall.
After hearing about this, I am no longer worrying:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/04/01/threat_0401.ht...
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OMFG
By ArpWhat's that 'socialization' argument people like to make for schooling again? I've been leery of school every since reading about the Spur Posse years ago. A friend who's a middle school vice-principal told me about a group of 'popular' 8th grade boys who are rumored to by quite sexually active who all wear pink shirts on Fridays. That's all he knew, but we doubted they were out to raise awareness of breast cancer.
purple fire hydrants
By KarlaMariaThat reminds me of this stupid fraternity during my college years that would paint the fire hydrant in front of their frat house purple each time a girl lost her virginity at the rat house, I mean frat house. Idiots.... And I went to an Ivy League school. Gggggrrrr, I shudder to think how much money I paid to go there......
ech
By ArpMy freshman year there was a big hoopla about a frat house who made their pledges go to their affiliated sorority house and yell 'Rape, Fuck, Shit' repeatedly. That was the last year it happened, but who knows how long that had been going on>
Unreal...
By Tracey...both stories...just unreal.
~Tracey
not enough reason
By KarlaMariaMuderous 3rd graders are not enough reason NOT to send your daughter to public school. I'll admit, it's a good INITIAL reason, but if you hadn't read that article, jaybay, you might be filling out the enrollment papers right now.
One of the school moms calling for the expulsion of the kids involved said, "We don't want our children around them," The kids were together all year, now she doesn't want her children around "those" kids anymore. Hello? Shouldn't you find out who your kids are with all day, every day of the week?
It's not those muderous 3rd graders and their awful parents to blame in all of this. Well, maybe parents are to blame a little bit. What makes a 3rd grader murderous anyway? And not just one, apparently between 6-9 of them. An isolated incident? I don't think so.
My in-laws always say that these kinds of school incidents never happened in her day. She may be right.
I'm slowly trudging through Judging School Discipline by Richard Arum. He tries to explain and reason why we are seeing such behavioral problems in schools today. He has yet to mention homeschooling as a solution, but rather is arguing that the outcomes of some 1,200 school discipline litigation cases since the 70s have shaped the moral authority crisis we have in schools today.
At least there is one (1) non-pro-homeschooler that admits there is a problem with 'socialization' in public schools.....
Perhaps Gatto had it right
By ArpWhen he speaks of the lack of community from separating people by age. There have to be some visible effects beyond teenage rebellion. I was around family all the time, and if a parent wasn't there to guide me another adult was. I even remember neighbors scolding me and others. Hell - I just remember interacting with lots of people of all ages.
not just that but...
By jaybayReading about this does put the proverbial nail in the proverbial coffin. I've experienced the children in our area first hand when I was a Daisy Scout leader. It surprised me how the children behaved (or didn't, depending on how you look at it). In my little mind it seems almost cruel to knowingly put my children in this kind of setting.
Back to the story, it would be more understandable if one child did this, but the idea of a group of children colluding to harm someone is frightening to say the least. Think about it, most of the children involved were being led and allowed themselves to be led.
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